A conversation between Jeff Brasfield and others in one of George Barwood's facebook groups.
Bern if Jodi would have had any marks on her to show Travis was attacking her when they were face to face and Jodi was stabbing him in the back to protect herself then that theory would have made some sence. But the only person in your so called struggle with defensive wounds or any type of wounds was travis.
Jeff Brasfield Bern the types of wounds JA would have received from body slamming and wrestling style fighting would not leave visible marks. perhaps some bruising on her butt.
I find it really odd that the prosecution would show all those pics of JA naked but I don't remember any pictures of her body at the time of arrest. I remember the pics of OJ's hands etc. so why not pics of JA to prove the Bruising
WOW how convenient for the police. LOOK we have no pictures of the bruises - what jerks - I really think that People from AZ believe they are clever or something. LOL
Jeff Brasfield Bern I think I may not have been clear -
Bern Jeff Brasfieldexactly I didn't see any bruising on her or anything that showed she went through a struggle. "She is fighting for her life her". But not a scratch on her. It all points to just her attacking him.
I believe the police saw the bruises but did not document them properly. IF there were no marks then there should have been pictures to verify. There is no reason to trust proven liars like Flores and Martinez, If they say there were no marks then you can be assured there probably were.
BernThe detective did ask her if she had any marks or wounds. She just showed him her finger.
Bern Jeff Brasfield I understand you. But Jodi said she didn't have any when asked by the police.
Jeff Brasfield Bern who is in charge there - They should have made her disrobe and document- its not as if nobody was going to see her goods. - I think it is so negligent as to be purposeful evidence spoilage.
Jeff Brasfield Bern she also said it was self defence - so why believe one vs the other.
Bern Even in court Jodi said all she got was a bruise to the head and and she got winded for a second when body slammed. That's it that's all she got.
Bern Jeff Brasfield because the evidence shows otherwise.
Jeff Brasfield BernYou cant say what the evidence is if you dont take the pics or investigate. also It is possible to not know if you had a bruise or mark on your back parts. - the bottom line is if they did not check they were rushing to judgement, incompetent, probably both.
now we will never really know- - I really wonder if you can see something in the police interview tapes-. I bet you can see evidence of injury to JA - if you notice her finger throughout the trial you see that she is not faking whatever is wrong with it.
Jeff Brasfield In Fact I think that pictures of JA right after the event would be 100x more convincing than a hypothetically missing gas can. The picts would show marks or no marks. IT is possible to have no marks but at least it is not hypothetical like the "vanishing" records for the gas can return.
Bern Jeff Brasfield she ruled her self out on the finger. She said in court she didn't get it when she killed Travis. But she insist she didn't. Even when witnesses have testified seeing her finger in a bandage the day after. Jodi gave many different story's about the finger. She contradicts her own story's. It's hard to tell which is the real story.
Bern Jeff Brasfield the experts gave testimony to the evidence and pictures. And I saw them.
Jeff Brasfield Bern The finger does not matter - I would have liked a thorough documentation of JA body condition at arrest with good clear pictures and video. A full examination by a specialist in the field etc. - if it was not done then the cops were wrong. that is all .
Jeff Brasfield Bern were there pics of JA at her arrest ? if so please give a link. I must have missed that.
Jeff Brasfield I am talking about full nude, close up, front, back, top, bottom, with good lighting and reference markers for size, etc.
Bern Jeff Brasfield there is evidence that she bought a gas can and lied about returning it. Because she filled it up in Utah. There is evidence that shows travis was viciously attacked and she wasn't. I'm going by what I saw in court with my own eyes. Not made up hypothesis.
Bern Jeff Brasfield look at the tapes of her arrest. I didn't say she had pics.
Jeff Brasfield Bern there is no evidence that JA did not return the gas can- There is evidence that Walmart missed the transaction, but who knows with that so-called "expert" . and because there are no pictures of JA body or wounds there is no evidence that JA was not attacked. -
actual Evidence is different than lack of evidence. - you really can not rely on a claim that is based on lack of information.
for instance:
I have looked but cannot find an honest man, therefore there are none.
that is not logically conclusive - it is an inductive argument with a Deductive conclusion - it just does not work logically.
Bern Jeff Brasfield the proof was given when Tesoro witness testified. And brought her records showing Jodi bought 5 gallons worth of gas inside. And Martinez showed the 2 recites with 9 . something and 10. Something. Enough to fill her car + 3 gas cans. Jodi used one credit card to purchase the gas. again I'm going with facts here.
Bern Jodi said when asked by Martinez that all she got was a bruise on the head and winded. And I think her side hurt. And that was because he body slammed her. again I'm going with facts. Jodi's own words in court.
Jeff Brasfield Bern I will have to re-watch that but - I seem to recall that the receipts were not itemized precisely. also what are the chances that you borrow a gas can from your neighbor and it is bone dry.
Take a look in your garage and see if you have a gas tank and then see if if is empty. I doubt it - I like to keep mine 1/2 full - did her friend say if the can was empty when he loaned it to her? if not why not ask the simple question - because JM is lair trying to make everything fit his delusion by ignoring things that don't agree with him.
The calculations of JM show roughly (and I mean roughly) that if what was bought was fuel, then it the cans would have been bone dry.
Jeff Brasfield i also believe JM makes another one of his gaffs during that testimony - he confuses 1000ths with hundreds or something like that. - Further proving he doesn't know his ass from his elbow.
Bern Jeff Brasfield the receipts had the exact gallons on them. And the Tesoro witness brought her records showing a perchance of 5 gallons. She filled them in Utah as she was leaving to come back to California. You can make any excuses you want but facts are facts.
Ron Photos of Jodi's body might have been helpful right after the murder, BUT she wasn't arrested until a month and a half later!
Jeff Brasfield Ron - Take them anyway. there might be scars etc.
Jeff Brasfield Bern I am looking for the receipt right now- if you have a link - that would be great. I thought there were multiple purchases.
Bern She showed her arm. She said her cat did it.
Jeff Brasfield Ron also that the is the same excuse DR JD used when she cheap skated the $35 for the current test. This is a Capital case folks- IT is much cheaper to take the pictures now rather than to be cross examined for a week as to why you did n...See More
Bern Jeff Brasfield again. Excuses! Excuses! Excuses!
Jeff Brasfield Ron So JA was arrested 1.5 months after the fact. Do you think that if she would have been slashed during the fight that there would be some evidence left after 6 weeks- scars or redness etc. - Be honest- they should have taken pictures even 6 months after.
Bern Jeff Brasfield right after she killed him. She was rolling in bed with Ryan. He testified about her finger. And Jodi said nooo! Ryan's wrong. It was the other other finger on the other hand. She was hanging with friends nobody saw her in pain. Again even more proof she was the one who attacked Travis and there wasn't this crazy struggle. Hypothesis!
Jeff Brasfield Bern make a tally of the times people have contradicted JA on a detail. One column for JA correct and one for the other person. I really cant think of anyone that was correct when they contradicted JA on a detail. can you - if so lets hear it, its as rare as chicken teeth.
also wounds can take up to 2 years to heal and then there still might be a scar. they should have taken pics. I agree "excuses" for the cops - but i think it was purposeful negligence - I could do a better investigation and so could most grade schoolers.
Bern Jeff Brasfield Jodi own testimony contradicts what she testified to in court. If she would have had wounds as soon as she got to Utah people would have seen it. The cops gave a many chances for her to tell them the truth as in what happened and if she got hurt. If she did get hurt and didn't say anything to the cops or in court then she is a dumb ass. She just continued lying to them and everyone else. Your the only one making excuses hear for her.
Bern Her life was on the line but she continued lying.
Jeff Brasfield Bern There are no excuses here. The cops are the investigators and the suspect ( esp when the cops are trying to kill you) job is frustrate them as much as possible and never ever help-
The bottom line is JA could have claimed in court that she was injured and there would be no way for the keystone coppers to prove otherwise- I would have used that- I just cant believe the incompetence on both sides. the DT and the PT.
either way because of the misconduct from the state JA will get another trial - I just hope they read some of my suggestions.
Jeff Brasfield Bern there is no evidence that JA lied under oath. Note I said there is no evidence- ( this is the same as saying there is no record of a returned gas can), so there you go - you can't have it both ways - if you believe Webb then you should believe JA is telling the truth also.
IT takes positive evidence to properly find someone guilty - not lack of evidence.
Bern I'm pretty sure that's what they are doing right now. Looking at Jeff Brasfield suggestions.
Sam you've got me wondering why they never took photos of Jodi to see if there were bruises or marks. What a farce.
Jeff Brasfield Bern they actually did - and also JVM mentioned once of my comments on HLN once - I know that's not so great. I was excited tho.
Jeff Brasfield Sam the more I review this case the more I believe it was a frame job from the police- I am not saying JA did not defend herself and kill TA. I am saying that the police made up a narrative and then made the evidence fit the best they could (really poorly) and then you have fools that just take the lying polices word for stuff-- it is tragic.
Police and prosecutors or anyone that gives false witness need to be held to account for misconduct esp in capital cases - I believe that intentional false witness in a capital case should be treated as seriously as the underlying case- they should be tried and if found guilty a mandatory death sentence to be carried out by the aggrieved party if they wish to do so.
Jeff Brasfield Bern what punishment do you propose for false witness in a capital case. Mind you that the penalty for False witness in a capital case has been death for 1000's of years - its even one of the ten commandments- (sermon of the day)
That is a serious question will you please answer?
Jeff Brasfield see rule #3 - this is from 1750 B.C.
3. If a man has borne false witness in a trial, or has not established the statement that he has made, if that case be a capital trial, that man shall be put to death
http://www.commonlaw.com/Hammurabi.html
Bern It also says. Honor your father and mother. Jodi kicked her mother. Shall not murder. She murdered Travis. Shall not steal she stole a gun and Travis ring bur brought the ring back. Shall not covet. She covet Travis when he was dating another woman.
Jeff Brasfield Bern Yes those things are between he and her maker. My question is what punishment should bearing false witness in a capital case bring. I am taking about laws not religion.
1. Honor your f+M IN THE LORD for this is right .
2. shall not KIll - but murder is a better translation - Jodi killed in self defense not murder.
3. covet refers to property - wife, maid servant, man servant ox and ass etc.
4. stealing has a very specific definition that i don't think is met by the gun or the ring.
5. TA was fornicating against his religion. he also was committing sodomy - according to his beliefs that is a death offence.
sermon of the day #2.
Bern Jodi was in the same religion so, so was she
Bern nobody bared false witness against Jodi.
Jeff Brasfield Jodi was brainwashed to swap religions - How long was she a mormon- Lets count from the time she was baptised - just before she was raped in the church by TA. how many days was that before she had to defend herself and kill TA. - I am serious was it a full 3 months or less.
LOL she was no more mormon than a visitor to the mormon soup kitchen .
Jeff Brasfield Bern really = what about the porn on the computer. - please address that seriously because if you will not conceded that there was porn on the computer then there is no point in discussing - JM is a lying little spawn of satan, he is a serial killer at worst and at best he is an complicit in the conspiracy to kill people. ( note i use the word KILL not MURDER)
Jeff Brasfield I guess it was November 26, 2006 - so she was a mormon for about 1.5 years or so. longer than i thought. but still a baby mormon compared to TA the elder.
Bern Jodi did whatever the guy was doing at the time she was dating them. When she dating Bobby, matt, burns, TRAVIS.she did what they did in order to keep them. whatever they believed in so did she.
Kitz Hmmmmm.... baby mormon? Does that mean she gets a free pass at her behavior then Jeff Brasfield?
Jeff Brasfield Yes she was very malleable and vulnerable to abuse.
Bern Jodi is a chameleon.
Jeff Brasfield Kitz - yes kids under 2 are usually free. not complete absolution but a proportionate amount of blame. I say 85% travis 15 JA. JA would ask TA if what they were doing was bad and he kept telling her it was ok- (if i remember correctly) I think as an elder of the church most would trust his comments about the religion.
Bern Then she shouldn't had been baptized. But it was her choice and she did it to be with Travis. What a hore!
Bern There were porn sites found on the computer.
Kitz Lynn Well Jeff Brasfield, how do you then account for JA indicating that she was the driving force behind their "creative" sex life in her journal and text messages? Since you believe she was only responsible for 15% of the blame?
Bern Jodi also said she grew up Christian. so she new sex before marriage was wrong. She didn't want to have sex with burns but she sure wanted to have sex with Travis.
Kim Jeff hasn't read all the journals, Kitz. You know that, silly goose!
Jeff Brasfield Bern I do agree JA made a mistake by joining the Mormons- all religion is dangerous and poisonous to most good things. also you have to listen to the tortured way JM asked about the "nudes" but YES it turns out JM is a liar. whatever he said was untrue and when he "Found out" (LOL) he did not reveal his mistake to the jury that is 2 counts of lying . and many more if you really analyse it. on that alone there are probably 10 false statements to the jury or more.
without religion both TA and JA would be fine and happy today ( unless the cops caught TA with some child porn or something similar)
Sam How do you know she wanted to have sex with him? He didn't even ask her. He just took her. Maybe she never really was attracted to him and faked it the entire time to avoid getting beaten.
Sam Bern you said "Jodi did whatever the guy was doing at the time she was dating them. When she dating Bobby, matt, burns, TRAVIS.she did what they did in order to keep them. whatever they believed in so did she.?" What is so bad about that? Shouldn't all people strive to make their partners happy?
Jeff Brasfield Sam very possible - but I think she probably did want to have sex at least once. but then he started getting freaky - so perhaps after that she just went along like she testified she did.
Sam Yah, who knows Jeff Brasfield. I'm so tired of people claiming she is whore because she was a sexual person. If anyone was a whore, it was the person cheating and lying while pretending to be monogamous.
Jeff Brasfield I still would like to know a proposed penalty for giving false witness in a capital case.
Sam Well, I think the penalty should be WORSE for giving false witness than the crime they are giving false witness to. Courts need order restored!
Bern Jeff Brasfield are you kidding me? When the defense had her on the stand Jodi acted like little miss innocent and she did everything Travis wanted. When JM had her on the stand that's when the true Jodi came out. The Jodi that's wasn't going to let anybody mess with her. If she didn't want JM asking her about the nude pics. Then she should have pled guilty to first degree murder.
Sam Are you a psychologist, Bern? You seem to know a lot about human behaviour. Is it instinct or did you study?
Jeff Brasfield Sam I agree with you - until JA was "indoctrinated" to being a mormon she was a Wicca. The motto of the wiccans is "an it harm none, do what ye will" Vs the motto of Abrahamic and specifically christian religions is " the wages of sin is death" and "all have sinned".
Sam There is no evidence of Jodi cheating on Travis or even being mean to him. There is plenty of evidence going the other way.
Jeff Brasfield Bern I believe anyone would be aggressive toward that rude little spawn of an imp Martinez. Just looking at him makes me feel aggressive- I thought she did very well esp when she pointed out what a bully he was just like travis - LOL good one.
Bern Sam that makes no sense. If she wasn't attracted to him, why stalk him? Why stalk the women in his life? Why show up unwanted at his house? Why drive thousands of miles to see him? She gave him sex because she thought that was the only way to keep him.
Bern Sam Jodi went overboard when it came to keeping men in her life. She never had her own identity.
Bern Sam yes I did take a psychology class. And did you not hear all psychologist talk about Jodi during the trial? It's called come sense. You should use it once in a while.
Tam exactly!!
Bern The only time Travis was mean to her was because she was stalking him, intrusive, doing crazy things to him. He had every right to be angry with her.
Tam Samantha there was "plenty" of evidence against her being mean to him! Stalking him.. Sneeking into his house, etc,etc! Where have you been!!? Alot more evidence against her "odd" possessive behaviour than Travis .. You never saw him chasing after her to California .. Ever
Jeff Brasfield no evidence just speculation. even TA is not sure in his emails- The slashed tires could have been an upset husband of women he was having "stay" with him. LOL
Bern again all you have are excuses! excuses!
Jeff Brasfield Bern if JA slashed the tires why was she not arrested? wait for it ? NO EVIDENCE. that is really the reason. People close to the situation say that it could have been a jealous lovers of the TA floozy brigade marching in and out of his house. both are speculation and that counts for exactly GOOSE EGG as far as laws go.
Tam Again .. Common sense & testimony of friends & family of her odd & possesive behavior .. Even "her" parents in their 1st interviews with detective! They were "not" surprised one bit! Dissapointed & sad .. yes, but not surprised! Her mom even said they didn't even "know" Travis .. Had never met him. "then/at that time" they were pleading that their daughter desperately needed help! Of course they have since shown their true character...
Jeff Brasfield Tam I believe the reason TA did not pursue JA is because he had his own personal harem. He would troll the "wards" looking for young girls. How perfect a never ending supply of fresh 18 year olds to tie to trees and F in the butt.
Jeff Brasfield Now if only there were enough trees in AZ.
Tam Wow! Talk about a vivid imagination & highly speculative! Jodi's behavior & odd behavior was brought up by many witnesses .. Including her parents .. Where's your facts .. Evidence of Travis having a bevy of 18 yr olds or even a harem ..going in & out of his house! That's right .. No one! Travis can't have a voice here, so all we have to by is evidence, past history actual .. Factual accounts .. And Jodi's word ... She lost her credibility a long time ago! Her father "and" mother stated that she lied so much!
Jeff Brasfield Tam there are several examples of his harem. some testified to being grouped. [sic but funny] and some spoke of being berated, cheated on, there was testimony that TA held someone to a couch, etc. Plus his current an past GF - the one he was taking to spring break (or where ever) etc. This guy had more concubines than King Solomon.
Sam I read the gchats. Jodi was not even the slightest bit aggressive while taking the verbal assaults Travis was handing out. NO way did she stalk him or slash his tires. All gossip from jealous people who think their instincts are facts.
Sam Bern I find your comment to me totally uncalled for. What did I ever do to you? IS that your real name?
Bern Jeff Brasfield nothing justifise Jodi killing travis. The point is she is a sociopath and she got what she deserved Natural Life without parole.
Bern Yes they did Jeff Brasfield lol
Bern Yes it is Sam
Jeff Brasfield Using a fake name on social media is a felony.
Jeff Brasfield Bern if someone blocked me then they are a fool- and probably don't have the education or intelligence to properly participate in an adult conversation. So I am glad not to have their input. I do feel bad for them that they are missing a great education from my posts.
Jeff Brasfield not high or low - just accurate.
Bern Jeff Brasfield I don't know if it is educational but it is definitely mind boggling
Jeff Brasfield either way it's worth the experience.
Jeff Brasfield Bern surly you learned something from the wound healing video and the reference to Hammurabi, and of course my daily sermons with hermetical explanations etc - Rev Jeff.
Bern Sure I did Jeff Brasfield.
Ava Jeff, if TA was a pedophile, child abuser, child porn viewer, domestic physical abuser, why was he never arrested for it? Wait for it... NO EVIDENCE.
George Barwood Ava It never came out - apparently he persuaded witness #1 not to report him in 2001, and the same with Jodi. I don't know if anyone else knew about it, probably not, although there was that strange message on MySpace.
Jeff Brasfield Ava yes as it should be - no evidence no arrest. It was just a matter of time. and there was evidence he was a sexual batterer and psychologically abusive. His own words from his own voice admitting to sexually battering an Unconscious JA. He would have been arrested if he were alive. (should have been at least)
Kim Jerry Sandusky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky
Kim Jerry Sandusky = pedophile Travis Alexander = murder victim
George Barwood There are any number of UK pedophiles that somehow got away with it for years. Jimmy Saville, some high-up Tory MPs, I think many were shocked by Rolf Harris. Blimey, I just found this, apparently a Royal: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Mystery-royal-suspected...
Kim The thing with pedophiles is that they have a set pattern of grooming...They put themselves in a position/proximity where they are around the type of children that turn them on sexually...Jerry Sandusky was clearly a groomer....There is NOTHING in Travis's history that suggest anything such behavior...Nothing!
Bern Kim did you see KN tweet. He said despite comments #jodiarias made in a letter to her "supporters", he did not "bless" her statements during sentencing -far-from it. Lol she is still lying
George Barwood They shot Norman Scott's dog, and then the gun jammed.
George Barwood Kim We don't really know what Travis is alleged to have done, besides downloading child porn, and what is in the letter that I believe to be genuine ( but inadmissible by rules of evidence ).
George Barwood Judging by UK politicians, there is a lot more pedophilia going on than anyone could ever have guessed.
George Barwood Crikey, this is a strange turn of events: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/.../man-behind-facebook...
Man behind Facebook page that named and shamed child sex offenders has a...
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Kim NO proof of Travis EVER downloading child porn! None whatsoever, but for an affidavit written by WITNESS #1, who was took chicken poop emoticon to appear in court; and his (non) testimony was discredited 8 ways from Sunday.
George Barwood BY DAVID YOUNG AND GEORGE JACKSON – 12 MAY 2015
A self-appointed moral guardian who set up a Facebook page to name and shame convicted child sex offenders has a string of convictions for indecency himself.
'Paedophile hunter' Joseph McCloskey (39) has been exposed as a career criminal with a total of 96 previous convictions, including four for indecency, as well as a host of others for drugs - including supplying Class A drugs - public order and road traffic offences.
George Barwood Doubt grows over dementia claims made by alleged paedophile peer Greville Janner
OUTRAGE over the failure to prosecute alleged paedophile peer Greville Janner grew yesterday after it emerged he wrote to the House of Lords a fortnight ago, despite claims he is suffering from dementia.
http://www.express.co.uk/.../Greville-Janner-dementia-claims
George Barwood Detective says his investigation into 29-stone Liberal MP was also blocked Jack Tasker said officers took 'every scrap' of evidence and threatened him Smith was also snared by undercover police sting on child abuse but let off Police allegedly targeted London houses suspected of hosting sex partiesSmith was reportedly held at property in Streatham but released hours later Officers were then ordered to hand over all notebooks and video footageExtraordinary claims made by sources in BBC Newsnight investigation Smith was outed as serial child abuser in Parliament by MP Simon DanczukCalls for PM to lift Official Secrets Act to allow whistleblowers to speak outTheresa May today insisted police with evidence should come forwardShe said officers would not be prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Cyril-Smith-held...
Cyril Smith held at paedophile sex party but police told 'cover it up'
Lancashire detective Jack Tasker spent years...
dailymail.co.uk
George Barwood If the US has a problem with wrongful convictions, I would say the UK has a major problem with high level cover-ups!!
Kim Which is the worse of two evils?
George Barwood Umm... well Kim, both are worrying, I wouldn't like to make a comparison really.
Kim It is an interesting question though, isn't it? A wrongful conviction which can be overturned & corrected vs a cover up that allows the perpetrator to remain free and cause more harm to more victims....Which is the worse of two evils?
George Barwood There certainly are UK wrongful convictions as well. I am currently supporting two cases, and know about another alleged one, and there is one I keep secret because the person was a total D-bag abuser in any case.
Kitz You are supporting a "total D-bag abuser" George Barwood?
Jeff Brasfield George Barwood it is sad that the system cannot put the D-bags away playing by the rules.
***Yes, it most certainly is.....- me
A conversation from George Barwood's Jodi Arias discussion facebook group.